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swaitjd
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I've become interested in using roll film with my CG, but do not like the idea of removing the GG to attach the RF back. However, slide-in backs (Cambo, Sinar, Horseman) are either not very good or way too expensive for my taste.
I have a Mamiya Press 6x9 back that's in perfect condition, so it occurs to me that it might be possible to adapt the back for use on the CG. Specifically, if one were able to attach the rear assmebly of the Mamiya Press camera to the back of a CG, one could use both the film back and the accessory GG on the CG. (Hope this makes sense!)
Has anyone done this? Is it even possible to think in these terms?
Thanks for your thoughts about this!
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Dan Fromm
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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On 2003-07-01 10:01, swaitjd wrote:
I've become interested in using roll film with my CG, but do not like the idea of removing the GG to attach the RF back. However, slide-in backs (Cambo, Sinar, Horseman) are either not very good or way too expensive for my taste.
I have a Mamiya Press 6x9 back that's in perfect condition, so it occurs to me that it might be possible to adapt the back for use on the CG. Specifically, if one were able to attach the rear assmebly of the Mamiya Press camera to the back of a CG, one could use both the film back and the accessory GG on the CG. (Hope this makes sense!)
Has anyone done this? Is it even possible to think in these terms?
Thanks for your thoughts about this!
Joffre
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Not to be a completely uncomprehending idiot or anything, but as I read your question you want to replace your Century's GG with a Mamiya Press roll holder because you don't like replacing it with a roll holder. What am I missing?
FWIW, Horseman backs have a very good reputation and attach with the camera's Graflok fitting. They don't slip in like a cut film holder. Graflex' own roll holders mount the same way on Centuries, are not esteemed as highly as Horseman or Wista.
The Mamiya Press back won't go on a Century. They're good backs, I wish they would. They attach to a Mamiya M-frame, the Mamiya G-frame is a Graflok clone. Your Century has a Graflok.
I wasn't aware that Sinar or Cambo made slip-in backs for 2.25 x 3.25 cameras. There's a lot I'm not aware of, so please offer more enlightenment about them. If there is a Sinar back, its worth the price.
Could you be confusing a Century Graphic with the 2x3 Galvin view camera? It used a bail to retain the ground glass and allows many roll holders, including Graflex RHs, to be placed between ground glass and camera.
There IS a usable 2x3 roll holder that slips in like a cut film holder, the Adapt-A-Roll 620. You can read about them somewhere on this site. Look for it! I use them, also a real RH that attaches with the Graflok fittings. Both are inconvenient. It is easier to mount the real RH after focusing on the ground glass without shifting the camera when it is on a tripod. Getting an Adapt-A-Roll in without shifting the camera is possible but takes more care.
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swaitjd
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Dan,
Sorry about the misunderstanding generated by using the CG abbreviation! I meant Crown Graphic (see title of original posting) and you understood Century Graphic. Does that make any difference to your responses?
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Dan Fromm
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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On 2003-07-01 12:21, swaitjd wrote:
Dan,
Sorry about the misunderstanding generated by using the CG abbreviation! I meant Crown Graphic (see title of original posting) and you understood Century Graphic. Does that make any difference to your responses?
Joffre
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Maybe, it certainly opens another possibility. The Century is basically a plastic 2x3 Crown. But if you were writing about a 4x5 Crown then your comments about all those other holders, which are made for 4x5, make a little more sense. The Mamiya 6x9 back stuff still baffles me, though. Every village has its idiot, I guess I'm ours.
Basically you're stuck. If you want to focus on the GG and shoot roll film, you have to remove the GG to attach a roll holder that conforms to the Graflok standard or you have to use one of the slip-ins.
About the slip-ins, there's a 4x5 Adapt-A-Roll, and there's the Calumet C-2, which gets mixed reviews. I'm ignorant of it, but have seen and can't evaluate the reviews. And yes, the nice Sinar for 4x5 is ungodly expensive.
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glennfromwy
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The easiest way to use any rollholder on a Graphic camera is to have your rangefinder properly adjusted. When it is properly set up, focus will match what will show on the ground glass and should let you shoot most subjects without removing the rollholder at all.
Proper use of hyperfocal distance should give you images that are in sharp focus from front to back. |
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Henry
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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This is so true, and a great convenience, for example, in those real low-light, long exposure interiors where you can't see much of anything on the GG, but by shining a flashlight on the subject there will be enough light to focus through the rangefinder.
The problem, of course, is that when you change lenses, you're outta luck with the rangefinder. |
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Dan Fromm
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On 2003-07-07 21:08, glennfromwy wrote:
The easiest way to use any rollholder on a Graphic camera is to have your rangefinder properly adjusted. When it is properly set up, focus will match what will show on the ground glass and should let you shoot most subjects without removing the rollholder at all.
Proper use of hyperfocal distance should give you images that are in sharp focus from front to back.
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Well, yeah, sure, if the roll holder can be mounted to the camera and the camera has an RF and the RF is set up for the lens being used.
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