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		dwgumm
 
 
  Joined: 20 Aug 2025 Posts: 6 Location: Oklahoma City
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				 Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2025 10:49 pm    Post subject: 80mm f2.8 Xenotar on Century Graphic 23 | 
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				I picked up a Century Graphic 23 with a 6x7 roll film back and a Schneider 80mm f2.8 Xenotar lens.  I have seen a few of these online but can't find any reference to this lens in Graflex literature.  Does anyone have any information on this combination being offered by Graflex or was it a distributor special of some kind? _________________ Film cameras are art in and of themselves | 
			 
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		Dan Fromm
 
 
  Joined: 14 May 2001 Posts: 2159 Location: New Jersey
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				 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2025 4:21 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Neat combination.  
 
 
As far as I know Graflex Inc. didn't offer the 80/2.8 Xenotar for the Century or the Graflex XL.  80/2.8 Planar and 80/2.8 Noritar, yes, they're both in brochures.  80/2.8 Xenotar, not in brochures.  A previous owner could have acquired the lens, put it on a board and even used it.
 
 
The Century takes many lenses, has no opinion about who made them.
 
 
Schneider sold the 80/2.8 Xenotar for 6x7, didn't claim that I covered 6x9.  I have one, can confirm that it doesn't cover 6x9. | 
			 
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		dwgumm
 
 
  Joined: 20 Aug 2025 Posts: 6 Location: Oklahoma City
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				 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2025 4:52 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				I have seen several of these Century Graphics with this Schneider 80mm f2.8 Xenotar lens.  Enough of them that I have to wonder if some distributor put together a special batch of them.  
 
 
It covers 6x7 just fine and all of them I have seen online included a 6x7, 10 exposure, roll film back like the one mine has.  Another clue that makes me wonder about their origin. _________________ Film cameras are art in and of themselves | 
			 
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		Dan Fromm
 
 
  Joined: 14 May 2001 Posts: 2159 Location: New Jersey
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				 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2025 9:31 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| Hmm.  Gumm.  OKC.  Would you be related to the John Gumm from whom I bought a 700/8 Questar in 1986? | 
			 
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		dwgumm
 
 
  Joined: 20 Aug 2025 Posts: 6 Location: Oklahoma City
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				 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2025 9:58 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Dan Fromm wrote: | 	 		  | Hmm.  Gumm.  OKC.  Would you be related to the John Gumm from whom I bought a 700/8 Questar in 1986? | 	  
 
 
He was my father. _________________ Film cameras are art in and of themselves | 
			 
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		Dan Fromm
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2025 12:52 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| Please accept my condolences.  I spent a little time with him when I bought the Questar, enjoyed the visit very much. | 
			 
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		dwgumm
 
 
  Joined: 20 Aug 2025 Posts: 6 Location: Oklahoma City
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				 Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2025 1:13 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Thank you.  He passed away back in 2008 so it has been a while but I still miss him a lot. _________________ Film cameras are art in and of themselves | 
			 
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		hsandler
 
 
  Joined: 27 Apr 2016 Posts: 39 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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				 Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2025 7:01 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				I acquired a Century with an 80mm Xenotar earlier this year.
 
 
 Century Graphic by Howard Sandler, on Flickr
 
 
I have not shot it enough yet, but it was, of course, fine with 6x7.
 
 
 Winterlude on Sparks St. by Howard Sandler, on Flickr
 
 
I have not even tried 6x9 with it, although I have a 6x9 roll film back, but a fun activity is to shoot Instax mini film, which can fits within a 2x3 sheet film holder with no modification if one is careful.
 
 
 Milo by Howard Sandler, on Flickr
 
 
Getting off the lens topic, the Century came with a Graflex left hand grip for it. I find they designed it to be cantilevered too far off from the camera body; it puts a lot of torque on the hand holding it. I plan to remove it and use a regular cable release which can clip on to the top plate near the left edge to be triggered by a thumb when gripping the edge of the camera. | 
			 
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		dwgumm
 
 
  Joined: 20 Aug 2025 Posts: 6 Location: Oklahoma City
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				 Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2025 1:03 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Interesting idea for the grip.  Your images look very nice.  I have seen enough of these 2x3 Century Graphics with the 80mm Xenotar that I have to believe that they were offered by someone. _________________ Film cameras are art in and of themselves | 
			 
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		hsandler
 
 
  Joined: 27 Apr 2016 Posts: 39 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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				 Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2025 1:53 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Here's a photo of an alternative grip arrangement which I prefer. I wrist strap and a cable release clipped into a holder (Graflex part 5896) on the top so the shutter can be released with the left thumb. 
 
 
 Century Graphic by Howard Sandler, on Flickr | 
			 
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		dwgumm
 
 
  Joined: 20 Aug 2025 Posts: 6 Location: Oklahoma City
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				 Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:02 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Nice!  I like it!  (Keep your fingernails short so you don't damage the bellows   _________________ Film cameras are art in and of themselves | 
			 
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