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spickering



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the Optar lens coated? Can I put it into the sun? How sharp would this lens be? Also are these easy to CLA or repair?

Also where can I get lens boards for these cameras should I want to get a second lens? Are these cameras easy to CLA?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lens is an Graflex Optar F4.7 135mm with serial number 525439. You can see a better pic of it on the Photonet posting.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might want to search through the message system, all of the questions you have asked have been discussed at great length on this system, in addition the regular website contains a wealth of information about this camera and many of the differnt things you can do with it and do to it.

Welcome to the club.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the widest angle lens I can put on this camera with the bellows it has? I may be looking for a wide angle down the road with a lens board for it as well. Will the Optar lens with 4x5 outperform my Pentax 6x7 105mm lens in terms of sharpness? I know the neg will be bigger, but if the lens is soft I won't gain much.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your not comparing apples to apples, I would say no, it will not be as sharp. that said, though, your looking at less of an enlargement on a 4 X 5 as opposed to a 6 X 7 so softness and grain will not be as pronounced in the 4 X 5, so that said, I can say that a softer 4 X 5 lens will produce as good a picture as a sharper medium format due to the enlargement ratio. And softness can be taken as a relative term depending on what your trying to accomplish with the camera your using.

Take a look at the picture I posted in the Large Format Photography thread and you will see how sharp the lens can be, this particular posted photo is very low resolution for the web, but the picture itself has been blown up to a 24 X 36 for posters and looks extremely sharp.

As stated, the WA stuff has been discussed at great length, do a search and you will find a lot of information.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for the wide angle lens, care to direct me at a post or two? Its like looking for a needle in a haystack. I haven't found the answer yet. I think the easiest would for someone to tell me say the 90mm is widest I can go for example.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2004-07-01 12:51, spickering wrote:
Well the second picture I posted that has the Graflok back on it according to you guys, I won in the auction. Thanks for the help. NOW. I've still bid on the first camera, but I probably wont win it due to a low bid. It is newer and better condition though. What I'm wondering is what parts can interchange between these two if by chance I should also win the second auction?

Secondly here is some info on the one I just won:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3823858338&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

The lens looks mediocre to me, but let me know on that.
This camera has a Graflok back. End of discussion.

Its lens is innocent until proven guilty. "Brand x lenses are great" is entirely consistent with "this here beat-up used brand x lens is terrible." Be patient, you'll have a chance to find out soon enough.

Its too late for this adventure, but in the future educate yourself before you go shopping. Remember that the first rule of eBay, flea markets, and junk shops is "if you don't know what you're doing, don't try to buy."

Strong hint: http://www.graflex.org is full of information. Be polite and look for it yourself instead of demanding to be spoon-fed. My image of you just now is that of an unfledged small bird, all mouth and pin feathers, begging to be fed. Ugly image, possibly reflects poorly on you.

Graphics' backs are held on by four small screws. They interchange freely. This information is free, and may be worth no more than its cost.

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Dan
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I won't direct you, I just did a search with the words Wide Angle and came up with over 50 different threads that contain information about wide angle lenses on Graphics. The reason is because there have been several different opinions and such on wide angle lenses on these cameras, some have been able to use 65mm, and some have said they can use 47mm, it is not a cut and dry question with a cut and dry answer!


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.graflex.org/helpboard/viewtopic.php?topic=2553&forum=10

I redid my search using different wording and found this. Thanks for the correction. I used one too many words in the search option.

The info on the camera types helped out too. Its good there is a manual here as I would be unsure of all the operations of the camera just be looking at it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would apply except for the fact your camera that you bought, does not look like it has a focal plane shutter, which changes the dynamics of what lenses can be used on it, so I guess you may have found the answer to your question, some are saying as wide as 47mm...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a little confused about the focal plane shutter thing- as I thought all shutters are integral with the lenses. And when you change a lens on these type of cameras, the shutter is change with it as a unit. Maybe I'm missing something here. I was just directed to this site for info today, and I had to act fast on a couple well priced Crown Graphics. They usually go for over $200 according to Ebay. Sorry you guys for badgering for answers. I didn't have much luck in the first set of searches I did. Frustration abounds on these systems when you're not using the correct search options. Someone in the past directed me to buy one of these, so that's why I looked into this. I thought I knew enough on these to make a purchase. Lucky I checked here. Thanks for the answers guys. I may look into a 65mm in the future. If not maybe a 70 something. It will be used since I'm on a budget, which is why I didn't go view camera at this time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The focal plane shutter is located in the rear of the camera in front of the film plane and has adjustable speeds, so if you don't have a shutter on your lens, such as a barrel lens, you can still used them. I have 5 older pre aniversarys that have focal planes on them and it is difficult to use a 90 on them. Spend some time going through the regular part of the website and most of your questions will be answered.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll pass on that.

I've been trying to find photos of the bottom of the Graphic cameras. Is there a tripod socket on these? I know they're made for handholding, but using a tripod for some shots would be prefered.

Also if I were to swap the Graflok back to the newer camera with the Graflex back, is there much involved in this? I've been looking over the manual, and from what I see its 5 screws (2 top, 3 bottom). There was mention of a spring which I'm not sure what its for. I don't know if there are any alignment issues in removing it. If its too much, I'll just leave it as is.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2004-07-02 11:07, spickering wrote:
I'll pass on that.

I've been trying to find photos of the bottom of the Graphic cameras. Is there a tripod socket on these? I know they're made for handholding, but using a tripod for some shots would be prefered.

Also if I were to swap the Graflok back to the newer camera with the Graflex back, is there much involved in this? I've been looking over the manual, and from what I see its 5 screws (2 top, 3 bottom). There was mention of a spring which I'm not sure what its for. I don't know if there are any alignment issues in removing it. If its too much, I'll just leave it as is.
grafloK, not Graflok.

Two tripod sockets, one 1/4"-20 on the bottom, another on the left side under the strap.

Buy a copy of Graphic Graflex Photography. 9th or 10th edition.

On the 2x3s, with which I'm most familiar, 2 screws above, 2 below. The bodies were made to accept any of the three backs (Graphic, Graflok, Graflex) and all three interchange. They have the same dimensions and the mounting holes all match up to holes in the body.

Don't be so neurotic. You made a bad mistake and you're going to die. Accept it.

And remember not to wager more than you can afford to lose.
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