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		DrJohn
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:46 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| I recently acquired a GV II with a 8 1/4 F6.8 Goerz Dagor with a Compound shutter and a Deckel Munchen 120mm, F9 with a Compur shutter.  Can somewhat tell me about this second lens?  I have not found anything in my Google searches.  My question on Goerz Dagor operation is how to keep the shutter open during focusing.  I did not get a cable release not is there an obvious point of attachment.  In B or T setting, I can manually hold the shutter open, but I need two hands to focus, etc.  What am I missing? | 
			 
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		Dan Fromm
 
 
  Joined: 14 May 2001 Posts: 2159 Location: New Jersey
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:55 am    Post subject:  | 
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On 2006-06-05 19:46, DrJohn wrote:
 
I recently acquired a GV II with a 8 1/4 F6.8 Goerz Dagor with a Compound shutter and a Deckel Munchen 120mm, F9 with a Compur shutter.  Can somewhat tell me about this second lens?  I have not found anything in my Google searches.  My question on Goerz Dagor operation is how to keep the shutter open during focusing.  I did not get a cable release not is there an obvious point of attachment.  In B or T setting, I can manually hold the shutter open, but I need two hands to focus, etc.  What am I missing?
 
 | 	  The Dagor's shutter needs service.  On "T" it should open without being cocked by pressing the release lever.  Pressing the lever a second time will close it.
 
 
Deckel is the manufacturer of Compur shutters, not a lens maker.  Take another look at your 120/9 to see what's engraved around the lens. | 
			 
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		DrJohn
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:18 am    Post subject:  | 
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				The text around the lens reads as "No 254987 Steinheil Munschen Weitwinkel Unofocal 1:9 f=12 cm".  Does that help?
 
 
The Dagor will be sent off for service.  Thanks | 
			 
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		Dan Fromm
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject:  | 
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On 2006-06-06 20:18, DrJohn wrote:
 
The text around the lens reads as "No 254987 Steinheil Munschen Weitwinkel Unofocal 1:9 f=12 cm".  Does that help?
 
 
The Dagor will be sent off for service.  Thanks
 
 | 	  Um, the wide angle Unofocal is a bit of a mystery lens.  
 
 
The Vade Mecum says that Unofocals are dialyte type lenses made in f/4.5 and f/6.  These "were so well liked that they were in use for many years. They should be brilliant and contrasty and give even illumination and have especially good colour correction."  The f/4.5 cover 60 degrees, the f/6 covers "more than 70" degrees.  But there's no mention of an f/9 wide angle.  Based on the serial number, yours was probably made in 1934 or '35.
 
 
It sounds very interesting.  If I were you, I'd try it out.  If you do, please report back on how well it shoots.
 
 
Good luck, have fun,
 
 
Dan | 
			 
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		Les
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:56 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| A true mystery lens.  Kingslake doesn't say anything about an F9 either.  The Lens Vademecum is quoting Kinglake on the dialyte lens design. | 
			 
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