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wmichaelb
Joined: 31 Aug 2002 Posts: 10 Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2002 2:29 am Post subject: |
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Is there an easy way to determine if a 4X5 film holder on eBay or ? is compatible with a graflok back? Thanks! |
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bertsaunders
Joined: 20 May 2001 Posts: 577 Location: Bakersfield California
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2002 4:33 am Post subject: |
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LOOK FOR LATE MODELS LIKE
LISCO REGAL/RITEWAY/FIDELITY ELITE
Older models will fit but those listed above will usually be in better shape, and will last longer!
BERT |
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Les
Joined: 09 May 2001 Posts: 2682 Location: Detroit, MI
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2002 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Bert's right. It's not compatibility with a graflok back that's the problem, it's getting good holders.
Forget all wood holders, or holders that arent' black. Most of the time those natural wood holders don't hold film, they hold glass plates.
Black wood holders with a metal light trap are a 30/30/30 proposition, 30% work, 30% leak light and 30% are glass plate holders, And a 1 in 3 chance is no way to buy anything on ebay.
the only holder that won't fit your back is a Graflex holder, and it will look very different having grooves along the edge and a goove where the light trap bump should be.
Rubber and plastic holders are your best bet. Graphic Riteways are made of hard rubber, though people call it plastic, were built not to warp or split, and after 60 years they still command a better price than newer wood holders.
You'd be hard pressed to find a plate holder of plastic. |
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RichS
Joined: 18 Oct 2001 Posts: 1468 Location: South of Rochester, NY
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2002 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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On 2002-09-06 05:05, Les wrote:
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You'd be hard pressed to find a plate holder of plastic.
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I've been hard pressed to find plate holders at all! And I've been looking for them...
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Les
Joined: 09 May 2001 Posts: 2682 Location: Detroit, MI
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2002 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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at the risk of starting a long thread....
why? |
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Schmell
Joined: 25 Aug 2002 Posts: 19
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2002 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Hey, people still shoot on glass. I've seen it. I myself am looking into it at some point. |
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Les
Joined: 09 May 2001 Posts: 2682 Location: Detroit, MI
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2002 1:27 am Post subject: |
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Well kodak still makes Tri-x on glass plates, but the minimum order is 144 at $20 each.
I'm assuming you'll coat your own
_________________ "In order to invent, you need a good imagination and a lot of junk" Thomas Edison |
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bertsaunders
Joined: 20 May 2001 Posts: 577 Location: Bakersfield California
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2002 3:46 am Post subject: |
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On the old helpboard, I asked if anyone knew what the process for making glass plates was, got all sorts of flack on the question!
In those days, Les was asking a lot of questions, and I was putting my 2 cents worth in almost every day with answers, boy have times changed since then.
Must at this point, thank Les
for his tireless effort, in the
help dept.....Thanks Les
I finally found a book on the glass plate formula, and made about 15 glass plates for a fellow locally, it was a fun project! Glad it came up again, because I havent seen that book for quite a while, so will have to send the hounds out to find it again! Some of us have in our collection of cameras---like my
...>Seneca Chautauqua 4x5 Plate Camera<...
And it is fun camera to use....IF....you can get people to sit still long enough for the long exposures!!!! (My film speed must have been about a >blazing< 10) haha Bert |
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RichS
Joined: 18 Oct 2001 Posts: 1468 Location: South of Rochester, NY
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2002 4:58 am Post subject: |
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On 2002-09-06 13:25, Les wrote:
at the risk of starting a long thread....
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Well, maybe a long thread? But a simple answer...
I may want to do actual glass plates at some point, but I also want to do tin(type) and other materials. There's more room for thicker materials in plate holders than film holders. So I wanted to get a dozen or so to 'play' with. Even with a thin tin plate, you may get it into a film holder, but getting it back out is a problem. And of course you can forget glass. It just won't make the bend at the end
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alecj
Joined: 09 May 2001 Posts: 853 Location: Alabama
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2002 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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Bert said: "(My film speed must have been about a >blazing< 10) haha"
Boy does THAT bring back memories. Kodachrome in the 50s. ASA 10. Yes, it was useable. It took some man-sized flash to use at night. And, the best part - those slides are still good today.
I still remember what a thrill when they announced K25!
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Les
Joined: 09 May 2001 Posts: 2682 Location: Detroit, MI
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2002 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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I have a Korona V plate camera and rather than going the plate method I modified a couple of holders, used regular film and a No47 Blue filter in front. ASA was about 2
You might want to do some more research for wet plate and tin type. I've found that holders made for dryplates just don't stand up to the harshness of ambrotype and ferrotype processes.
Bostick and Sullivan is a company you should get to know well. They sponsor an alt photo list serve that has some of the top people in alt photo on it, and most of the people are quite curteous.
When I get a moment I'll search my old bookmarks. there's a guy that makes wetplate cameras and runs workshops on wet plate photography.
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RichS
Joined: 18 Oct 2001 Posts: 1468 Location: South of Rochester, NY
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2002 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Ooops, wait a minute here... I'm not talking about wet plate! Way too much trouble for me. Deffinitely dry only! Brand new dry process tin-types can be bought from Rockaloid and glass can be processed in the same manner && materials. Then there's all kinds of heavy papers & such. But no wet process for me!!!
Thanks
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Schmell
Joined: 25 Aug 2002 Posts: 19
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2002 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, you can try daugerotypes!
If you have a chemical fume hood in your darkroom....
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