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Which 2x3 GRAFLEX?
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Joey Anchors



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NICE!! I was guessing it was early as it has the leather side strap and not plastic
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Henry



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Joey, are you watching this one? Looks Good!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GRAFLEX-CENTURY-GRAPHIC-Kalart-finder-4-film-holders-Good-Excellent-Cond-/260935856800?pt=Film_Cameras&hash=item3cc0fd32a0#ht_500wt_1413

And this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Graflex-Century-Graphic-2-1-4-x-3-1-4-1964-lens-and-Graflex-flash-174-/250973864995?pt=US_Vintage_Cameras&hash=item3a6f354423#ht_1889wt_1398
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Joey Anchors



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Henry wrote:
Hey Joey, are you watching this one? Looks Good!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GRAFLEX-CENTURY-GRAPHIC-Kalart-finder-4-film-holders-Good-Excellent-Cond-/260935856800?pt=Film_Cameras&hash=item3cc0fd32a0#ht_500wt_1413

And this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Graflex-Century-Graphic-2-1-4-x-3-1-4-1964-lens-and-Graflex-flash-174-/250973864995?pt=US_Vintage_Cameras&hash=item3a6f354423#ht_1889wt_1398


Henry yeah I saw those, but went for the one I won which has the ground glass back..plus everything else but flash and film back. and I got it for $225 shipped. That red bellow one looks good but didnt have the ground glass back so I passes. Plus the one I bought is cleaner and is dates to 1949!
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Joey Anchors



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is the one I bought

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150731849873?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_500wt_1054
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Dan Fromm



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1banjo wrote:

But now Dan will say Adapt-a-roll is the way to go!!


A way, yes, the way, maybe, for some of us, almost certainly not for everyone.

AARs have two advantages over other 2x3 roll holders for 2x3 and 3x4 cameras: They insert like a sheet film holder so can be used with cameras that have spring backs. If loaded carefully, they'll give nine (9) shots per roll of film.

They have disadvantages: Must take up on a 620 spool. Take the film up inside out. Fiddly to load. Frame counters can be temperamental.

They're lifesavers for cameras with spring backs but there are better roll holders that attach to Graflok backs. I've thought for years that I should save my small monetary units and buy a couple of Horseman roll holders.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Joey Anchors"]
Dan Fromm wrote:


Dan I feel like a jerk now...


Welcome to the club.
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Henry



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joey Anchors wrote:
here is the one I bought

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150731849873?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_500wt_1054


Nice grab, Joey! It's got everything basic that you need. Love that gg with the grid marks---that'll be great for any kind of critical composition, as with buildings, etc. The leather strap is an upgrade; the stock Century strap is a piece of plastic junk that I quickly removed, and replaced with a strap I made using 1" black nylon webbing from the fabric store. And although you may find the top-mounted optical viewfinder to be of limited accuracy and, therefore, usefulness, at least you have the longer one, which means that you won't scrunch your face up against the roll film holder---at least, not as much as I do with the short finder. For hand work, I rely on the so-called "sports finder," with allowance for 6x7 (it's proportioned for 6x9). All in all, a terrific buy at a really good price!
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1banjo



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that looks good!
now you will need to look for lensboards
I have 4 of these carbon fiber lensboards
they work great & when you buy 3 for $75. + s&h it makes
it $28.00 each & that a great price

eba_ #180784399361 3 PCS Lens Boards Graflex 2x3 inch SUPER PRICE 75 USD
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Joey Anchors



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so what are some good new 6x7 and 6x9's roll backs to look into?
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Henry



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New? Well, there's Arca-Swiss: very pricey. See http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=roll+film+backs&N=0&InitialSearch=yes
I see that many of the listed backs for 2x3 cameras are discontinued. I think your best bet is used Graphic backs in good condition. I have five: a 6x9 knob wind, a lever-advance RH20 (6x7 for 220 film), and three lever-advance RH10 backs. I think the most I paid for any of them was $75, in fact the 6x9 was a gift from a friend who was ultimately going digital. I've never used the RH20 (in fact, 220 roll film is about extinct), and I think I shot one roll of 120 through the 6x9 (RH8) back. With the three RH10s I can carry three different films, typically b/w, color slide, and color negative.

You could go to the auction site and see whether any backs are listed. The Graphic ones come up pretty often, usually overpriced IMO.
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Joey Anchors



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOW.. that roller back is way way to much money.. Oh was there a Singer RH20(6x7) made for 120 film?
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1banjo



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

all most all graflex / graphic roll film holders are 120
the RH20 is for 220!!
And like I said I like the Horseman BUT there are some of the older Horseman that DON'T work!! Like Eba_ #250972960192
and any roll film holder // backs if you shop wheight you can find a better price ! Like I have gotten some Horseman as low as $65.00 & minty RH8 have gone as high as $250.00!!
so take your time and get a good buy!!
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Dan Fromm



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Henry, I've always thought that Arca-Swiss, Horseman, and Wista roll holders came out of the same machine shop.

banjo, pardon my ignorance, what's the matter with the Horseman back you pointed it? Dead? Won't fit a 2x3 Graflok? What? I ask because I'm thinking about getting one. If there are any I shouldn't want (knob-wind Horseman?) I need to know (a) why and (b) how to recognize 'em.
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1banjo



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

will Dan the older ones !! Horseman that DON'T work look Like Ebay #250972960192

the other newer one you need to cut away about 1mm off the lift side
of the Graflok back to work!! as it don't set down all the way!
just cut off a little of that rige just un till the Grafloks bare lock

AND NO Arca-Swiss, Horseman, and Wista roll holders DON"T all come out of the same
anyway my Horseman, and Wista DON't mach!! I thered to put the Film Holder Inserts out of the Wista into the Horseman AND IT DON't
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, banjo.
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