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ASpeedGraphic



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

Why, however, do the cameras always make so much noise in the movies? These things are practically silent in reality, but they always have the sound effects from flash powder.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Harry Potter movies show their share of cameras.

Movie #2 had an Argus C3 Matchmatic and a red-bellows view cam I couldn't identify.

The 5th movie has only view cameras, some most with flashbulbws and some with the stupid combination of flashbulbs and flash powder.

It always made me wonder what year it was supposed to be.

I also wondered if any of the cameras were MPP instead of Graflex since it's British, except for recent production.

An earlier movie credited Cooke Optics, the 5th credited JDC for cameras (???).

The 5th movie looks more Hollywood than British, so maybe their props are Graflex again.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Murray, the Harry Potter books and novels are "present day" settings, but the wizarding world is more than a little out of step with the muggle world in terms of style, technology, and the like. Remember the flying car in the second movie? That was a 30+ year old English Ford. Think about the way wizards (who, unlike Harry and Hermione, weren't raised among muggles) dress. That they'd use cameras (to capture moving, 3-dimensional images) that look like something we'd associate with 70-80 years ago doesn't seem out of place at all -- and the combination of a bulb and powder might be just the magical side effects of the capture...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Notorious Betty Page from 2005 currently airing on HBOW has a lot of side RF Speed/Crowns in use in it. I'm watching over my shoulder while answering questions in the fourms and turned around to see a female photographer shooting a nude female model with a side rf Pacemaker and she was using it correct except that it did not appear to have a film holder it it but she was cocking and triping the shutter! There was even a Burke and James 4x5 on a tripod next to the Pacemaker. (soft focus used to obscure the name on the top lens board slider). A lot of the cameras in the opening court room scene appeared to be typical movie image adjusted. Now, back to the movie.

I watched at it again. A lot of early 35mm and Box cameras being wound and shutters snapped. A few TLR's being shown also. The most side rangefinder Pacemakers with Graflite 2773's with 7" reflectors and blue flash bulbs are in a court room scene being held and used Film Director Style. The studio shot where the photographer is using a side RF Pacemaker, rear peep site up without the front frame being raised is the real killer. At least the identifiable Graflex equipement looks new.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time to bump this one up. I've been assembling as many screen captures of Press Cameras in movies that I can get my hands on. This thread has been a great help for tracking down films I haven't seen.

http://www.kpraslowicz.com/2010/11/04/visual-guide-press-cameras-movies/

Only sixteen different films/shows so far, but It'll keep getting bigger.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent work K.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sjixxxy wrote:
Time to bump this one up. I've been assembling as many screen captures of Press Cameras in movies that I can get my hands on. This thread has been a great help for tracking down films I haven't seen.

http://www.kpraslowicz.com/2010/11/04/visual-guide-press-cameras-movies/

Only sixteen different films/shows so far, but It'll keep getting bigger.


Thats great! I "shared" it on my FB page
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The camera in the "Midnight Express" looks like a Graflex to me -- it's got the metal lens board, sync solenoid (despite having a sync cord plugged into the shutter, the solenoid lets him shoot with the right hand while the left focuses), and the top rangefinder; the housing doesn't look deep enough for a focal plane shutter, however (which would make it a Crown rather than a Speed). I can even see the notch in the housing where the focus knob nests. You may be right, though, it might be the 5x7 version, unless the photographer is pretty small. The aspect ratio of the wire frame looks more like 5x7 than 4x5, too.

For technique, I'd have my left hand off the focus knob once I took my eye away from the RF, but one can't always expect actors to learn how to use their props (especially if the tech consultants don't catch the error).
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is definitely not a Graflex product, note the two range finder windows at the top of the camera body. There are only two makers of cameras that have RF windows like that, that I am aware oft, the Kalart Press and the Beseler Press.

The only info I can find on the Kalart shows a 3 1/4 x 4 1/4 as being the only one. I have seen the Beseler 4x5 on ebay 10 to 12 years ago and they went for premium prices in poor condition. A google shows a little information but no pictures. It was made around 1960.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Beseler press on my site http://graflex.coffsbiz.com on the military cameras page (it's an Air Force C-6 version but the same as the civilian version). Scroll down the page to Other Military Cameras.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the range finder windows are larger on your Beseler pictures than the camera in question and the front standard lock is different on the Beseler pictures that you have.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Midnight Express camera looks like a Micro Press 4x5:
http://photography-matters.blogspot.com/2008/12/mpp-micro-press-5x4.html

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:25 am    Post subject: Graflex in a new movie! Reply with quote

http://goingblindmovie.com/

I saw this movie today and it showed a brief clip of art students in New York City doing film photography with a Graflex camera. The photographer, a pretty lady who had lost her vision, was still directing people to take artistic photos. Neat.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello ASpeedGraphic: As a retired movie critic, I was once told by a sound technician that the reason cameras make so much noise in movies and on TV (like an SLR with powerwind or a motor drive held close to the microphone) is that this sound Packs more Punch. It doesn't matter what kind of camera the character is using -- the discreet click of a leaf shutter or the FP shutter on a rangefinder camera is just not dramatic. Camera-carrying characters always use flash for the same reason, even if they're out in bright sun in the desert.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And that "It packs more punch" excuse is why you see a lot of "Press photographers" 6-8 feet away from the subject, but have their front standard pulled all the way out, so it's focusing about a foot and a half in front of the lens.
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